Interesting call. Here's my take on it:
Absolutely, Manny Coto should have had a shot at this, considering what he was already putting together as tie-ins with the Original Series for the unfortunately- never-filmed Season 5 of ENTERPRISE. We all remember, however, how a certain suit at Paramount/Viacom was on record as hating ENTERPRISE so much that Season 5 was doomed before it could ever be seriously thought of. No doubt in my mind that Manny would have come up with an original and exciting script for a feature film with the original crew, and still fit it into the original canon. Unfortunately, now we'll never know...
Now, since we HAVE this "reboot", it looks like we're going to have to live with it, but we can at least be thankful that it was as good as it was. Many of my listmates well remember the various posts I put up in the past year or so, decrying the project, and how concerned I was that they would simply botch the whole thing. And yet, while certain parts of the original canon were done away with, Abrams and company gave us a very good, and quite enjoyable film. In fact, I would venture onto some thin ice here, and suggest that Trek XI could have in fact stood on its own without Nimoy's presence - though certainly we all welcomed him.
As stated be3fore, I have a few nit-picks with Trek XI, yet altogether they still do not, IMHO, outweigh the good that's in this film. I do have one point I want to get off my chest however. And no disrespect to Ben Cross, who is a very fine actor (even though I still think Mark Leonard was a far better Sarek!). BUT did anyone feel a little unnerved during the scene in which young Spock "politely" turns down the Vulcan Science Academy in favor of Starfleet, and because the Minister blatantly insulted his mother's heritage, while at the same time, Sarek just sat there, hearing his wife get lambasted for being an off-worlder, having raised a mixed-parentage son on Vulcan, having that same son endure as lot of un-Vulcan-like crap.....AND HE JUST SITS THERE AND SAYS NOTHING????? Should we assume that Sarek was "in" on the Minister possibly "testing" Spock, or was something else going on that might be explored in another film? Impossible to say now I think, but that scene just didn't sit well with me. Sarek never impressed me as the kind of Vulcan who "knew his place". The whole thing with marrying Amanda and raising a mixed-parentage child seems a bit rebellious, don't you think? *G* Wonder how Mark Leonard would have wanted to handle the same scene!
LL&P!
Dominick
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saveenterprise@ yahoogroups. com, le_dartagnan <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Couldn't agree more.
>
> There is still so much untapped, which they could have used other than rebooting the whole thing.
>
> How would Manny Coto have dealt with it ?
>
> Anyways, what are your thoughts about Star Trek XI
>
> A) Yes, reboot
>
> B) yes, return to the origins, but keep the timeline
>
> C) Continue the story of Cisko, returning from the celestial temple
>
> E) be original and make a brand new crew, after Voyager
>
>
> le_dartagnan
>
>
>
> --- In
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> >
> > I have to say I liked it as a scifi show, but I can only accept it as a alt.universe show. I can't really suspend disbelief enough to show Kirk getting command the way he did.
> >
> > It was a great scifi movie though. Even with the cheap product placements.
> >
> > Eric
> >
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> > Another corker! (was:Re: Sequel?) From: Dominick Carlucci
> > 1b.
> > Re: Another corker! (was:Re: Sequel?) From: John Lambrou
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> > Re: Another corker! (was:Re: Sequel?) From: Elk00769@ View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages
> > 1a.
> > Another corker! (was:Re: Sequel?)
> > Posted by: "Dominick Carlucci" scorpio_eagle2002@ scorpio_eagle2002
> > Mon May 18, 2009 8:54 pm (PDT)
> >
> >
> > We might as well add:
> >
> > "Or do you want to be the only genius-level repeat offender in the entire Midwest?" - Christopher Pike (to Kirk after the bar fight)
> >
> > Dominick
> >
> > --- In saveenterprise@ yahoogroups. com, Elk00769@ wrote:
> > >
> > > or how about...."you green,blooded, inhuman.. .."
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 5/16/2009 1:29:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > scorpio_eagle2002@ ... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah, but they were wise enough to give us:
> > >
> > > "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!"
> > >
> > > I swear Karl Urban was channeling Dee Kelley when he said that!
> > >
> > > LL&P,
> > > Dominick
> > >
> > > --- In _saveenterprise@ saveenterprisav_
> > > (mailto:saveenterpr ise@ yahoogroups. com) , Elk00769@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > tht would be too sweet....... tht would be too sweet....... <WBR>I about
> > > > I'm givin her all she's got....lol.. I'm givin her all she's got....lol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:48:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > keela001@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Something that needs to be there more than "He's dead, Jim," is <drum
> > > role
> > > > please>
> > > >
> > > > "Beam me up, Scotty!"
> > > >
> > > > Let's push to make this an official line!
> > > >
> > > > Keela
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: _Elk00769@ From: _Elk00769
> > > > To: _saveenterprise@ To: _saveent
> > > > (mailto:_saveenterp rise@saveenterpr isav_
> > > (mailto:saveenterpr ise@ yahoogroups. com) )
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:40 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [saveenterprise] Sequel?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:35:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > _scorpio_eagle2002@ _scorpio_eagle2002@ <WBR>scorpi _scorpio_ _scorpio_ea
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rumors are already flying about what the next film will be about, and
> > > what
> > > > might be in it. Here's my contribution, for what it's worth:
> > > >
> > > > McCoy absolutely MUST have the line:
> > > >
> > > > "He's DEAD, Jim!"
> > > >
> > > > Trek simply would not be Trek without it!
> > > >
> > > > LL&P,
> > > > Dominick
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> > Re: Another corker! (was:Re: Sequel?)
> > Posted by: "John Lambrou" JohnGLambrou@ keystroke2004
> > Tue May 19, 2009 4:49 am (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
> > Speculating on the creative process, it seems the character profile of young genius Kirk's lack of ambition and slacking was inspired by Damon's Good Will Hunting (with Pike playing the role of Robin Williams), and his last minute enrollment into starfleet was reminiscent of Cruise in Top Gun. (that's not to say that those elements were cheap ripoff from earlier blockbusters, but that all three drew from universal, mythic archetypes).
> >
> > To: saveenterprise@ yahoogroups. com
> > From: scorpio_eagle2002@ yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 03:53:37 +0000
> > Subject: [saveenterprise] Another corker! (was:Re: Sequel?)
> >
> > We might as well add:
> >
> > "Or do you want to be the only genius-level repeat offender in the entire Midwest?" - Christopher Pike (to Kirk after the bar fight)
> >
> > Dominick
> >
> > --- In saveenterprise@ yahoogroups. com, Elk00769@ wrote:
> > >
> > > or how about...."you green,blooded, inhuman.. .."
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 5/16/2009 1:29:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > scorpio_eagle2002@ ... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah, but they were wise enough to give us:
> > >
> > > "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!"
> > >
> > > I swear Karl Urban was channeling Dee Kelley when he said that!
> > >
> > > LL&P,
> > > Dominick
> > >
> > > --- In _saveenterprise@ saveenterprisav_
> > > (mailto:saveenterpr ise@ yahoogroups. com) , Elk00769@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > tht would be too sweet....... tht would be too sweet....... <WBR>I about
> > > > I'm givin her all she's got....lol.. I'm givin her all she's got....lol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:48:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > keela001@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Something that needs to be there more than "He's dead, Jim," is <drum
> > > role
> > > > please>
> > > >
> > > > "Beam me up, Scotty!"
> > > >
> > > > Let's push to make this an official line!
> > > >
> > > > Keela
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: _Elk00769@ From: _Elk00769
> > > > To: _saveenterprise@ To: _saveent
> > > > (mailto:_saveenterp rise@saveenterpr isav_
> > > (mailto:saveenterpr ise@ yahoogroups. com) )
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:40 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [saveenterprise] Sequel?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:35:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > _scorpio_eagle2002@ _scorpio_eagle2002@ <WBR>scorpi _scorpio_ _scorpio_ea
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rumors are already flying about what the next film will be about, and
> > > what
> > > > might be in it. Here's my contribution, for what it's worth:
> > > >
> > > > McCoy absolutely MUST have the line:
> > > >
> > > > "He's DEAD, Jim!"
> > > >
> > > > Trek simply would not be Trek without it!
> > > >
> > > > LL&P,
> > > > Dominick
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Re: Another corker! (was:Re: Sequel?)
> > Posted by: "Elk00769@" Elk00769@ unkieed2000
> > Tue May 19, 2009 7:33 am (PDT)
> >
> >
> > how abpout from ST IV....."I am well versed in the classics.... ......then
> > how come you don't know row,row your boat"LOL
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/18/2009 10:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > scorpio_eagle2002@ yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > We might as well add:
> >
> > "Or do you want to be the only genius-level repeat offender in the entire
> > Midwest?" - Christopher Pike (to Kirk after the bar fight)
> >
> > Dominick
> >
> > --- In _saveenterprise@ saveenterprisav_
> > (mailto:saveenterpr ise@ yahoogroups. com) , Elk00769@ wrote:
> > >
> > > or how about...."you green,blooded, or how a or
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 5/16/2009 1:29:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > scorpio_eagle2002@ scorpi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah, but they were wise enough to give us:
> > >
> > > "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!"
> > >
> > > I swear Karl Urban was channeling Dee Kelley when he said that!
> > >
> > > LL&P,
> > > Dominick
> > >
> > > --- In _saveenterprise@ --- In _saveenterpri
> > > (mailto:_saveenterp rise@saveenterpr isav_
> > (mailto:saveenterpr ise@ yahoogroups. com) ) , Elk00769@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > tht would be too sweet....... tht would be too sweet....... <WBR>I
> > about
> > > > I'm givin her all she's got....lol.. I'm givin her all she's
> > got....lol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:48:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > keela001@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Something that needs to be there more than "He's dead, Jim," is <drum
> > > role
> > > > please>
> > > >
> > > > "Beam me up, Scotty!"
> > > >
> > > > Let's push to make this an official line!
> > > >
> > > > Keela
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: _Elk00769@ From: _Elk00769
> > > > To: _saveenterprise@ To: _saveent
> > > > (mailto:_saveenterp (mailto:_sa (
> > > (mailto:_saveenterp rise@saveenterpr isav_
> > (mailto:saveenterpr ise@ yahoogroups. com) ) )
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:40 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [saveenterprise] Sequel?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:35:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > _scorpio_eagle2002@ _scorpio_eagle2002@ <WBR>scorpi _scorpio_
> > _scorpio_ea
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rumors are already flying about what the next film will be about, and
> > > what
> > > > might be in it. Here's my contribution, for what it's worth:
> > > >
> > > > McCoy absolutely MUST have the line:
> > > >
> > > > "He's DEAD, Jim!"
> > > >
> > > > Trek simply would not be Trek without it!
> > > >
> > > > LL&P,
> > > > Dominick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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